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Games of note this weekend.
Usual caveat, we have to keep winning. But we definitely are in the hunt.
PAC
Utah @ Stanford. Stanford winning makes our loss look less bad. Utah winning means a win for us in Utah will look better. Not sure which outcome is best for us.
OSU @ Colorado. Definitely good if OSU were to get to 8 wins before we face them.
USC @ ASU. Best if ASU wins some games so that if Utah lets them into the PAC championship they are a credible opponent.
SEC
Auburn @ aTm. If Auburn wins out they might have a case even with two losses. In an ideal world they lose this and then beat Alabama.
LSU @ Bama. Unlikely this goes our way but a team with a fired coach can be dangerous.
Liberty @ Ole Miss. Ole Miss probably wins this easily but a Liberty win would pretty significantly undercut Bama's best win so far.
B12
OkSt @ WVU. OkSt might not be able to pass us but they could become a quality win for Oklahoma, so it would be nice to discredit them, and WVU has scared some teams.
B1G
Ohio State @ Nebraska. It's probably best for us that Ohio State wins this game. On the other hand, if they are going to lose one conference game this year, this would be a great one for them to lose.
Michigan State @ Purdue. Pretty much a long shot but it would be great if Purdue won this.
ACC
Wake Forest at UNC. Wake's schedule is incredibly weak but I don't like the committee having to choose between 1 loss Oregon and undefeated Wake. Go UNC.
Others
SMU @ Memphis. SMU losing this would further weaken Cincy's schedule.
Navy @ Notre Dame. Navy winning would ding Cincy's only quality win very badly.
Boise is not a state @ neither is Fresno. Fresno could be top 20 and maybe even top 15 by the time the committee makes its final decision. The higher, the better.
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DuckInTheMountains wrote:
Games of note this weekend.
Usual caveat, we have to keep winning. But we definitely are in the hunt.
PAC
Utah @ Stanford. Stanford winning makes our loss look less bad. Utah winning means a win for us in Utah will look better. Not sure which outcome is best for us.
OSU @ Colorado. Definitely good if OSU were to get to 8 wins before we face them.
USC @ ASU. Best if ASU wins some games so that if Utah lets them into the PAC championship they are a credible opponent.
SEC
Auburn @ aTm. If Auburn wins out they might have a case even with two losses. In an ideal world they lose this and then beat Alabama.
LSU @ Bama. Unlikely this goes our way but a team with a fired coach can be dangerous.
Liberty @ Ole Miss. Ole Miss probably wins this easily but a Liberty win would pretty significantly undercut Bama's best win so far.
B12
OkSt @ WVU. OkSt might not be able to pass us but they could become a quality win for Oklahoma, so it would be nice to discredit them, and WVU has scared some teams.
B1G
Ohio State @ Nebraska. It's probably best for us that Ohio State wins this game. On the other hand, if they are going to lose one conference game this year, this would be a great one for them to lose.
Michigan State @ Purdue. Pretty much a long shot but it would be great if Purdue won this.
ACC
Wake Forest at UNC. Wake's schedule is incredibly weak but I don't like the committee having to choose between 1 loss Oregon and undefeated Wake. Go UNC.
Others
SMU @ Memphis. SMU losing this would further weaken Cincy's schedule.
Navy @ Notre Dame. Navy winning would ding Cincy's only quality win very badly.
Boise is not a state @ neither is Fresno. Fresno could be top 20 and maybe even top 15 by the time the committee makes its final decision. The higher, the better.
Utah looked really good last night. They sure look like they'll be the team we would face in the Pac title.
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I agree. They have to lose twice for ASU to get in because they have the tiebreaker. They have to play us, of course, but they might even be favored in that game, and their other two games they'll be huge favorites.
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Well, down goes Wake, so that's one less undefeated team; even if they win out and are ACC champs, I doubt they jump us. Sparty having a tough time with the Boilermakers right now...we can hope.
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oldretiredguy wrote:
Well, down goes Wake, so that's one less undefeated team; even if they win out and are ACC champs, I doubt they jump us. Sparty having a tough time with the Boilermakers right now...we can hope.
Looks like Sparty’s going down too.
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Alabama is down right now!
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KONA808 wrote:
oldretiredguy wrote:
Well, down goes Wake, so that's one less undefeated team; even if they win out and are ACC champs, I doubt they jump us. Sparty having a tough time with the Boilermakers right now...we can hope.
Looks like Sparty’s going down too.
Maybe a bit of a trap game for them.
Now would they still get in if they win out?
Should we root for Ohio State if the play in the title game?
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Ok, I'm just a guy who is wrong a lot but I'll give my view on how the games this week affected possible outcomes in the playoff hunt.
Starting With the Stuff that Didn't Help
PAC
Utah hammered Stanford. I think there's a strong possibility Utah is ranked by the committee this week. So that sets up a chance for us to beat a ranked team on the road. The win also means Utah is almost certainly the PAC South champion, which means we'd get them twice. If we beat them twice (which is what needs to happen for us to be in the playoff hunt), they won't be ranked any more. Our best chance of getting a ranked opponent was ASU, but Utah's win probably ended any chance of that.
The Beavs could have done us a favor by winning the rest of their games until the Civil War. Nope, they dropped one to Colorado. That's not helpful. The PAC continues to be unhelpful in just about every way.
I don't think any other games in the PAC really mattered much. We just aren't going to have a quality win from the PAC. If we win out, the best opponent record from the PAC North is going to be 7-5. If UCLA wins out we'll have a conference win over an 8-4 team that probably will sneak into the rankings.
MWC
Fresno State did us no favors, getting hammered by BSU. That means not only will they be unranked this week, they probably also won't get into the MWC championship game. We might go into the final playoff decision with only one win over a ranked team. The path for FSU to win the MWC and get a ranking somewhere near 20 is not too far-fetched but they need some real help to get there.
Things that Helped
B1G
Purdue over Michigan State. This was huge. There is still a risk that 2 BIG schools can get ahead of us with quality wins but it is far lessened now. OSU only finishes ahead of us if they win out, which would now knock out both Michigan schools. MSU can still probably finish ahead of us if they win out (PSU, OSU, and B1G championship) but that would knock out OSU. MSU was the team with some margin for error, and that margin is gone. There's even a reasonable chance that all of these teams finish with 2 or more losses.
Illinois over Minnesota. This may not matter much but the committee was giving OSU credit for a quality win over Minnesota (somewhat comparable to our Fresno State win). That's gone. Minnesota isn't likely to be ranked this week.
Ohio State over Nebraska. I wouldn't mind seeing Ohio State lose another, as we've discussed, but this is still probably good for us. I don't much mind if they get a higher seeding than us as long as we keep getting credit for a top 3 win on the road.
ACC
UNC over Wake Forest. Wake might have been a threat if they stayed unbeaten. They didn't. There is no way any ACC team gets in this year over a one-loss Oregon now.
SEC
USC over Florida. Probably doesn't matter much but people gave Bama credit for a close win on the road over a "tough" Florida team. Maybe not so much.
Arkansas over Mississippi State. The committee considered Mississippi State a top team and a quality win for Alabama. This undercut that narrative somewhat.
Ole Miss struggled to put away Liberty.
Alabama over LSU, barely. The case for Alabama as #2 just suddenly doesn't look so compelling. Florida win? Not so impressive. Ole Miss? Maybe not really that great. MSU? Yeah, but they lost to Arkansas. Lots of games this week that weakened their case, and barely dodging a bullet against a mediocre LSU team didn't help them. Ultimately, if they win out they are in. But the case for a 2 loss Alabama to be ahead of us looks very flimsy now.
aTm over Auburn. I was really glad to see this. If Auburn had won out, the case for a 2 loss Auburn would have been very strong, actually.
B12
TCU over Baylor. This was really helpful. Oklahoma has neither style points nor quality wins, that's why they are ranked so low despite being undefeated. They have four remaining shots at quality wins. If Baylor had won this, they'd have probably been ranked about 10 going into their game with Oklahoma next week. Now, they'll be closer to 20. It's just not going to have the same credibility for OU to beat them. It also, in my thinking, increases the chance of Baylor winning. Their only way to a top bowl game now is to beat Okie, they will be mad that they lost, they can rescue their season with a win, they'll be on fire.
Cincy-related
Cincy barely beat a bad Tulsa team. Not winning many style points with that.
SMU lost to a mediocre Memphis team. No chance they'll be ranked now. They are still dangerous and Cincy could still lose to them but won't get much credit for beating them.
Houston struggled to beat a poor USF team. Nothing here to say Houston (Cincy's likely opponent in the AAC championship game) deserves a high ranking. Like SMU, they are still dangerous to Cincy but won't be a huge resume booster.
Summary
1. The chances of 2 SEC teams finishing ahead of us are less.
2. The chances of 2 B1G teams finishing ahead of us are less.
3. I think yesterday hurt Cincy's chances of passing us.
4. I think Oklahoma and maybe OkSt are still a legitimate threat to pass us if they win out but losses for Baylor / IaSt / OkSt undercut that.
We can use a little more chaos but we got a lot of help in small ways, and in one big way at Purdue, yesterday. I'd say our chances if we win out are now much greater than 50% to get in.
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Phil wrote:
KONA808 wrote:
oldretiredguy wrote:
Well, down goes Wake, so that's one less undefeated team; even if they win out and are ACC champs, I doubt they jump us. Sparty having a tough time with the Boilermakers right now...we can hope.
Looks like Sparty’s going down too.
Maybe a bit of a trap game for them.
Now would they still get in if they win out?
Should we root for Ohio State if the play in the title game?
Too early to say. It partly depends on what happens in the B12 / Cincy situation. If we need more credibility against them, then we root for OSU. If they are behind us anyway, then we probably root against OSU in the hopes of being ahead of them.
Of course, this all presumes that we live in an alternate universe where how we root has any influence on outcomes, LOL.
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Games that might matter if we win out:
Cincy @ USF. It would be cool if Cincy actually lost this but I'm not sure we need that. USF played Houston and BYU close and this game is at USF. Cincy has had several close games in a row which isn't helping them at all, if it happens again against a 2-7 team.
Miss St @ Auburn. For those who are afraid of a 2 loss Alabama team, having Auburn take another loss will somewhat undercut Bama's strength of schedule.
UCF @ SMU. Every SMU loss makes their game less valuable to Cincinnati. I'm rooting for UCF here.
Oklahoma @ Baylor. There's a strong possibility that we need Oklahoma to lose to get into the playoffs. This would be a great time for that to happen.
Michigan @ Penn State. Michigan is perhaps the only team that could pass us without getting into a conference championship game. We may need them to take another loss. This would be a great time for that.
Minnesota @ Iowa. It probably doesn't matter but a Minnesota win would strengthen tOSU's resume, so I guess an Iowa win is better for us.
Purdue @ Ohio State. In an ideal world, Ohio State loses this and then beats the Michigan schools. Since I don't know that they'll beat the Michigan schools, I think I prefer they just keep winning to bolster our resume.
Georgia @ Tennessee. Keep an eye on this one. Georgia's defense is great but they actually haven't really been tested by an explosive offense. And if Tennessee does manage to put up some points, will UGA's offense keep pace? I expect Georgia to win but won't be shocked if they are upset. A Tennessee win would be great for us because it would pretty much guarantee only one SEC team ahead of a one-loss Oregon.
Maryland @ Michigan State. Pretty unlikely Maryland wins this but they aren't a terrible team. It would knock MSU out of the picture which would pretty much guarantee we would be ahead of all B1G teams except the UM/tOSU winner.
Stanford @ OSU. It does us no good for Stanford to win this, it's a horrible loss on our record no matter what. If Beavs win it and we face a 7-4 team in the Civil War, that's probably a plus.
UNM @ Fresno. We could really use Fresno winning out.
aTm @ Ole Miss. What if Alabama loses at Auburn and aTm wins out, including beating an unbeaten UGA in the SEC championship? I would rather not find out, so I would rather Ole Miss wins this.
Notre Dame @ UVA. Notre Dame has squeaked out a lot of close wins against mediocre teams. UVA is a cut above mediocre, maybe. If they win it really, really hurts Cincy's case to be ahead of us. Go, UVA.
TCU @ OkSt. So, I wouldn't even mention this because I couldn't see it happening, but after TCU beat Baylor last week, who knows? This would knock OkSt out of contention which would be all to the good.
Colorado @ UCLA. If UCLA wins out, they'll be ranked so our win over them will look better.
Nevada @ SDSU. It's to our benefit if both of these teams pick up another loss. Fresno has the tie-breaker over both of them, so if each lose, they are in the MWC championship game, which would be helpful for us (assuming they win it).
Of course, none of these matter if we don't win out. And depending on other results in coming weeks, a lot of them may not matter anyway. But I think some of them might matter in some scenarios.
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Stuff relevant to us this week:
PAC
IMO these were reasonably good results for us.
Beavs beat Stanford. If they also beat ASU they'll look like a credible opponent for us in our final game,
UCLA won, helps their chance to end up as a ranked opponent at season's end.
Utah managed to not embarrass themselves against AZ. They'll be South champs unless they lose to both us and Colorado.
ASU kept up the pressure on Utah.
B12
Oklahoma didn't just lose, they got beat in every facet of the game. Some national pundits think they have a chance if they win out, which would give them a win over OkSt and a win in the B12 championship. I don't see that resume stacking up well against our win at Ohio State. I think we're ahead of OU unless we lose or win very, very sloppy in our last three games.
OkSt hammered TCU (who beat Baylor last week). They've got a win at Boise State on their resume which looked like nothing special a couple weeks ago but is looking better and better. There is a chance that by winning out they could threaten us. But their best possible wins will be home wins against Baylor and OU, and I don't see how that can really compare to a road win at tOSU.
I think the B12 has very little chance of putting a team ahead of us now, if we win out.
B1G
All the key players (tOSU, UM, MSU, UW, Iowa) won. As you were.
Any one-loss B1G champion will be ahead of us, I'm sure. The only possibility for 2 one-loss teams from the B1G is for the Michigan schools to both win out. For this week, I expect tOSU to be ahead of us after dominating a good Purdue team, but the committee may wait to see how they do against at least one of the Michigan schools. There's a wild-card out there in the B1G -- Wisconsin has put it together and is looking really good, and they could upset the whole thing by winning the B1G championship game. But that's down the road.
SEC
UGA hammered Tennessee. We better hope they win the SEC championship.
Alabama hammered the Little Sisters of the Poor, or some such team. We better hope they lose at least one more game. They have Arkansas, @Auburn, and (unless they lose both of those) Georgia.
Unranked Mississippi State knocked off ranked Auburn, and lower ranked Ole Miss beat higher ranked aTm. I think those are good results for us, in that it means our signature win is quite a bit better than anything Alabama can boast unless they win the SEC. So in the scenario where they win out and then lose to Georgia in the SEC championship, we'd have 1 fewer loss and a better signature win.
Cincy / Notre Dame
Cincy got a reasonable but hardly dominating result against a poor USF team. I don't think they particularly hurt or helped themselves.
Notre Dame crushed UVA, but UVA was without their QB. That was unfortunate because it was likely the best chance for ND to lose.
Indiana (Cincy's other P5 win) was destroyed by Rutgers. Indiana is not a boost to Cincy's resume.
Nothing changed here, really. Cincy is still undefeated, still not particularly impressive in their last four games, still has a very good win over Notre Dame. I still think they are a threat to pass us and wish we would blow some teams out. That AB fumble was a pity.
MWC
This matters because it's a possible opportunity for us to have another ranked win, which could matter in the discussion vs Cincy or possibly OkSt.
Fresno State won easily and should win in 2 weeks at SJSU, making them 6-2 in conference.
SDSU beat Nevada this week and plays @ UNLV next week, which they should win easily. But the following week they play Boise who has been on fire. If Boise wins, Fresno will be West champion, having beat both SDSU and Nevada. The Mountain champion is likely to be Utah State who has 2 very winnable games left. I think Fresno would win that game.
So I think there's a very good chance still that FSU can win the MWC and get a ranking somewhere around 20. That would be a nice little boost to our resume.
There were a lot of results that could have gone better for us. It was a pity to see PSU drop that game against UM. But we got one of the things we really need, the Oklahoma loss. That doesn't mean our spot is secure but one of the teams that controlled its own destiny to finish ahead of us has lost that, and it damages the case of another team (OkSt) that could threaten us if they win out. I don't really like being a Baylor fan but for yesterday, it was worth it.
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So Ducks are still #3 in the CFP, and I'm going out on a limb and saying if they win out, they'll be in the top 4. It wouldn't hurt to have Georgia beat Bama, and for tOSU to win out.
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oldretiredguy wrote:
So Ducks are still #3 in the CFP, and I'm going out on a limb and saying if they win out, they'll be in the top 4. It wouldn't hurt to have Georgia beat Bama, and for tOSU to win out.
There's really only one thing that scares me -- that both Michigan schools win out. If they do, they'll both add signature wins and discredit ours, and I think they might both pass us. And in that scenario, Cincy might pass us, too, since our signature win would be seen as worth less than their win at Notre Dame.
I think if we win out and tOSU wins out, we're in (behind tOSU, but in). I also think we're in great shape if they beat only one of the Michigan schools -- they'd still easily be a top ten team and we beat them on the road.
I'd feel a little more comfortable if Cincy loses to SMU or Houston, or if Notre Dame loses at Stanford (which would hurt Cincy's strength of schedule and make our loss there look not so bad). But I don't think Cincy passes us now if we win out.
I'd also feel a little more comfortable if OkSt would take another loss. They've played in a better conference than us this year and they also have a road win at Boise State, which now looks pretty comparable to and maybe better than our home win over Fresno State. So if they win out they might not be far behind us -- but we still have that road win at Ohio State. I don't think they'd catch us but they'd have an argument at least.
Yes, I'd be happier if Alabama lost to Georgia. Actually, I'd be happier if they lost to Auburn or Arkansas and then lost to Georgia. I don't think they've got a great resume. The Ole Miss win looks pretty good but it was a home game. I hope they aren't getting credit for the Florida win. Their best road win is at 6-4 Mississippi State, who lost to both Memphis and LSU. But there will still be a lot of people saying they should be in with two losses. And if they somehow lose to Arkansas or Auburn and then beat Georgia, they just might get in with two losses. I don't know what the committee would do in that case.
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Games of note this weekend.
There's the really, really important games:
1. Oregon @ Utah. I'll take any win here, a one-point win on the road would be ok with me. A 2 TD win would be a really nice resume booster.
2. MSU @ tOSU. If tOSU wins this game, it guarantees there will not be more than one B1G team with one loss, and a two-loss team won't be ahead of us. It also bolsters our case against any challenge from Cincy, a B12 team, or a 2 loss Alabama team if tOSU wins. All is not lost if they lose, but it's definitely to our advantage if they win this one.
3. Arkansas @ Alabama. I wasn't high on this game helping us but Alabama was not impressive against LSU, so who knows? It really, really helps us if Bama takes another loss and I'd be more comfortable if they take two, just because the committee obviously rates them really high. I'm supporting the Razorbacks here.
There's the games that may not matter but I'd feel a lot better if they went our way:
4. SMU @ Cincinnati. I still think there's a risk that unbeaten Cincy passes us. Obviously if SMU beats them that threat is gone.
5. Ok St @ Texas Tech. Tech is 6-4, it's a home game for them, stranger things have happened. I don't think Ok St passes us but if they win out they'll be adding two quality wins, and I don't know how much the committee will value that, so I'd like to see them take another loss.
6. Iowa St @ Oklahoma. Pretty much the same story as the Ok St game, I'd just feel a little happier if Oklahoma took another loss, and they are playing a legit team.
Perhaps the only ones that really matter are our game and MSU@tOSU, but the others going our way would sure make me happier.
Other games that might have an impact:
Memphis @ Houston. Memphis beat Mississippi State so can be dangerous. Houston is Cincy's last hope of a ranked opponent other than Notre Dame so if Memphis were to win, it would hurt Cincy.
SDSU @ UNLV. Ok, it's a long shot, but UNLV has won 2 in a row, it's a home game, it would make their season, and surely Arroyo owes us. If UNLV wins this it likely puts Fresno in the MWC championship where they would likely be favored, and likely end up ranked.
Illinois @ Iowa and Nebraska @ Wisconsin. These two games can have a major impact on the B1G championship game which is likely to be relevant to the resume of a playoff contender. If the underdogs win, the value of the championship game will be reduced.
Arizona @ WSU. The committee liked our win over WSU. It woudl be helpful if the Cougs validate that it was a good win by winning this and against Washingon.
UCLA @ USC. Definitely to our advantage if UCLA wins out, they would likely be ranked. Road wins against ranked teams are nice to have.
ASU @ OSU. If Beavs win it increases the value of our game against them.
I don't think it's locked on that we're in if we win out, but Oklahoma's loss got us very close. I think an Ohio State win this week would probably do it. If the Buckeyes decide to lose their last two games we still may need help, against Cincy, a 1 loss B12 champion, and maybe 2 loss Bama. So there may be scenarios in which most of these games matter. But I like our position a lot better this week than last week.
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What if Sparty isn’t anywhere near their ranking. Buckeye’s are destroying them right now.