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Check out Andrew's take on Lanning and the Ducks
"If I were an Oregon fan I'd be a little bit more nervous than I would be celebratory" - Andrew Nemec
Andrew always gives it to you straight without being a homer. I don't think he tries to kick up dust and give hot takes either.
He thinks Oregon could be a 10 win team, but is very uncertain. Same with the Ducks not missing a beat on recruiting. Between Kenny having no experience play calling and being a part of a bad offense at FSU and a couple of other Ducks assistants with red flags things are very uncertain in his opinion.
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I bought into Cristobal 100% when he became Oregon's head coach. I am not going to repeat that approach with Lanning.
The fact Oregon would hire someone with no previous head coaching experience bothered me from the beginning. Then the coaching hires on the offensive side of the ball have been massively underwhelming.
Thus I am not surprised Oregon's 15 decommits is the most in the Pac-12. With a recruiting class outside the Top 60 on Rivals, the key test will come February 3rd.
Fans can chirp all they want about loving recruiting but playing for a first-time head coach is not an overwhelming choice for many recruits.
Nor did it help that Lanning was only a part-time head coach at Oregon for nearly a month.
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Phil wrote:
"If I were an Oregon fan I'd be a little bit more nervous than I would be celebratory" - Andrew Nemec
Andrew always gives it to you straight without being a homer. I don't think he tries to kick up dust and give hot takes either.
He thinks Oregon could be a 10 win team, but is very uncertain. Same with the Ducks not missing a beat on recruiting. Between Kenny having no experience play calling and being a part of a bad offense at FSU and a couple of other Ducks assistants with red flags things are very uncertain in his opinion.
Check out the rest of the radio show.
The thing about recruiting, it's about building relationships. Given how long MC dragged his feet, we are behind in that regard. The kids they've brought in so far are good takes for the circumstances, imo. Lowe won't start, and he knows that. The kid from Washington will be in the mix, as will Gonzales. I think they've done as good a job as can be expected, and we'll see what happens between now and Feb 2nd. I like the offers for 2023 and 2024.
As for the coaches with recruiting violations, lets remember Coach Campbell had a couple of those as well, and I love him. As for coaching, watching the kids at Georgia interact with Coach Lanning, I feel good about his ability to get his kids to play hard. Dillingham is very young with not much experience, but there are several other coaches with offensive minds on staff, so sure, that's a wait and see, but we have the O line, and plenty of talent.
I expect our D will be very good next year, and I also expect to see a top 15 (at least) recruiting class next cycle.
Anytime there is a wholesale coaching change, there will be a period of uncertainty..I think Nemec is seeing things as glass half empty..I see it as half full.
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I agree about Lanning getting his kids to play hard. And that's where Mario lost me. We no-showed twice against Utah.
I can live with less than stellar talent, if you have good development. I can live with less than stellar development, if you are bringing in really good talent.
I can't stomach lack of effort.
And I know KT is very, very popular among Oregon fans, but if you've got one of the five most talented players in the country, you expect him to make a few of the kinds of plays that can turn the momentum, get his teammates going, etc. Sorry, I didn't see that. I didn't seem him dominate his opponent and get to the QB. One sack in 2 games against Utah? That's not a top five player, to me. The top five players stand up and are counted when everything is going bad.
But it wasn't just him. Mario didn't have the team ready to play, in either Utah game.
Lanning may or may not be as good a recruiter as Mario, and he may or may not have a team that will develop players like some staffs we've had in the past. But I do think his guys will be ready to play, and that goes a long way with me.
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I agree about Lanning getting his kids to play hard. And that's where Mario lost me. We no-showed twice against Utah.
I can live with less than stellar talent, if you have good development. I can live with less than stellar development, if you are bringing in really good talent.
I can't stomach lack of effort.
And I know KT is very, very popular among Oregon fans, but if you've got one of the five most talented players in the country, you expect him to make a few of the kinds of plays that can turn the momentum, get his teammates going, etc. Sorry, I didn't see that. I didn't seem him dominate his opponent and get to the QB. One sack in 2 games against Utah? That's not a top five player, to me. The top five players stand up and are counted when everything is going bad.
But it wasn't just him. Mario didn't have the team ready to play, in either Utah game.
Lanning may or may not be as good a recruiter as Mario, and he may or may not have a team that will develop players like some staffs we've had in the past. But I do think his guys will be ready to play, and that goes a long way with me.
Good points and I agree with the effort perspective.
In defense of the defense and not just KT...all the dots connect and OREGON'S OFFENSE put so much pressure virtually all season long on OREGON'S DEFENSE by inconsistent play(understatement).
Too many times the Oregon defense was right back out on the field as the offense did nothing. So eventually KT and everyone else on the defense wore out as the games(and season) progressed.
Yes Oregon won a bunch of games but how many teams did they beat convincingly? Starters on both sides of the ball were on the field too long and it showed at the end of the season.
The problem with the Utah games is Oregon could not score the ball and Cristobal made zero adjustments to do correct that(a different QB to pick the lowest hanging fruit from the tree).
Coaching 101 is to put players in a position / situation where they can succeed and I thought Cristobal did a lousy job in that context.
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I think probably most Oregon fans would say Mario was a great recruiter but tactically lacking -- and at the end, appeared to fail as a motivator as well.
And, he didn't seem to get that an important part of development of young players is actual playing time, and that great teams should be looking to blow teams out so that the young players can play, and should be looking to get young players into positions where they can succeed in playing time that matters, as well.
Maybe offensive line coaches shouldn't become head coaches. No doubt it's great for recruiting offensive linemen.
Edit: and I do 100% agree that the offense put the defense under pressure an awful lot, not just against Utah. You really do need to avoid successive 3 and outs. A possession that is 10 plays and gets two first downs can be a very successful possession even if you don't score, because it lets the D rest and also improves field position, giving the D more margin for error. No doubt the defense is happy if you score a TD on the first play of a possession, and ready to get back after it. There's a huge adrenaline lift that makes up for some fatigue. But failing that, the possession that gives the D a rest is extremely valuable also even if you don't get a TD.
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I can't stomach lack of effort.
And I know KT is very, very popular among Oregon fans, but if you've got one of the five most talented players in the country, you expect him to make a few of the kinds of plays that can turn the momentum, get his teammates going, etc. Sorry, I didn't see that. I didn't seem him dominate his opponent and get to the QB. One sack in 2 games against Utah? That's not a top five player, to me. The top five players stand up and are counted when everything is going bad.
Sounds like I was not the only one who thought this.
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Have a family member currently in the league. His production in the pros is better than his production at the collegiate level from a relativity perspective as you play the best of the best every week in the league vs college. Going to allow the jury to be out on KT until the end of his rookie season. Like Herbert, KT was in a system that did not play up to the strengths of the athletes on the team. How many times was he dropped into coverage on third down? Like Pittman, he may have gotten tired of the system and shifted into a lower gear knowing this team was not a NC contender but he was still considered an early first rounder. KT might have a LT-like breakout in the league for all we know...
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Yeah, I'd agree with that. The talent is clearly there.
I didn't feel like I was watching the same player this year. And maybe that was the scheme, and maybe it was the injury trouble. But I still had that feeling of, "Where's the KT we've seen before? Has he checked out?"
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