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I don't even pretend to keep updated on football rosters at this point.
But when I saw the headline for this article, I was definitely surprised...yet probably shouldn't be with the transfer portal, NIL and good 'ol fashion recruiting of high school players. Yes you can overhaul a college football roster in year's time!
Certainly an interesting point as noted in the article is currently Oregon is at 92 scholarship players...7 over the limit...but that 85 number doesn't need to happen until like 8 or 9 months from now...so a LONG way to go.
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That's crazy. And a sign of the times.
On the one hand, it's wonderful for a new coach to establish his culture as quickly as possible. And any program now can change their fortunes quickly if they get all the puzzle pieces and moving parts put together correctly.
On the other hand, I am saddened by some of the players who will get pushed out. Is there any more room on a team for a player who works his tail off for a few years in obscurity to finally get the chance to play for a school they love? Apparently not. But I think those are the stories we all love as fans of college sports.
On the bright side, we don't have to listen to the "wait until we get our guys" trope about underperforming teams or units for too long, eh?
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Yep and everything works both ways and especially each time a precedent is set.
I this case, Lanning was hired just over a year ago so perhaps he becomes the standard going forward for other schools, coaches, alumni and fans i.e. "Look what Oregon did in one year...why can't we..."
HOWEVER if Lanning doesn't at least match his 10-3 record this coming season then?
Ultimately he has only put more pressure on himself with this very quick roster makeover.
Likewise the players cannot have it both ways...NIL options and / or Transfer Portal and then expect to be "protected." So yes with freedom comes consequences and one of those may be a HC using their freedom and leverage to push players out the door for whatever reasons.
People forget(or don't know) scholarships are "renewed" annually. They are not a 4-year guarantee. So a HC always has that option to "cut" a player or move a bad attitude.
I guess if I had to choose the most optimistic mindset, instead of thinking the NIL, Transfer Portal and all related issues are ruining college football, they are instead raising the levels of accountability for both coaches and players. Excuses, while not being eliminated entirely, are significantly diminished.
If the 2023 Oregon football team is 75% Lanning's...does anyone now think he has 4-5 years to build a program?
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No. By year 3 this will be Lanning's team completely. Culture should be firmly established.
I'm still very optimistic about Lanning. But the UW and OSU games haunt me and give me pause going forward. But 10-3 as a first-year coach with inherited players is pretty outstanding by any measure.
I could definitely accept another 10-3 mark next year as long as there are no games given away by bonehead coaching maneuvers. The conference will be brutal next season.
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DucksReign wrote:
Yep and everything works both ways and especially each time a precedent is set.
I this case, Lanning was hired just over a year ago so perhaps he becomes the standard going forward for other schools, coaches, alumni and fans i.e. "Look what Oregon did in one year...why can't we..."
HOWEVER if Lanning doesn't at least match his 10-3 record this coming season then?
Ultimately he has only put more pressure on himself with this very quick roster makeover.
Likewise the players cannot have it both ways...NIL options and / or Transfer Portal and then expect to be "protected." So yes with freedom comes consequences and one of those may be a HC using their freedom and leverage to push players out the door for whatever reasons.
People forget(or don't know) scholarships are "renewed" annually. They are not a 4-year guarantee. So a HC always has that option to "cut" a player or move a bad attitude.
I guess if I had to choose the most optimistic mindset, instead of thinking the NIL, Transfer Portal and all related issues are ruining college football, they are instead raising the levels of accountability for both coaches and players. Excuses, while not being eliminated entirely, are significantly diminished.
If the 2023 Oregon football team is 75% Lanning's...does anyone now think he has 4-5 years to build a program?
Here is an article discussing schollies. I think the NCAA is going to have to increase the 85 limit, at least to 90."The NCAA has allowed colleges to provide multiyear scholarships since 2012. Additionally, in 2015, NCAA D1 colleges from the Power Five conferences (colleges in the Football Bowl Subdivision, plus Notre Dame) agreed to implement a rule that prevented multi-year D1 scholarships from being canceled or not renewed for any athletic reason.So, yes, there are athletic scholarships that are guaranteed for four years, but they are not the norm outside of powerhouse football programs."
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Well that begs the question, who would you give it to?
Especially in this day and age of the Transfer Portal and NIL...and opting out for the professional level. What would be the point?
Of course it can be for any sport...I could see one for Ionescu.
I can also see it upsetting other players who think they are worthy of one as well.
I am trying to recall "right out of the box" football players at Oregon who from the first game "had it"...
DAT
Penei Sewell
Mariota
Royce Freeman
Cliff Harris
But again with the Transfer Portal and NIL...what is the benefit to a HC to give a kid a 4-year scholarship guarantee for football? Basketball?
Anyway good to know that option is there as I missed that along the way.
The differences in rosters these days is easily defined by comparing Oregon and osu. Two very different approaches but both achieve success. I do like Oregon's better😉 because if nothing else the potential for bigger prizes is more plausible.
osu just had only its third 10-win season going back to the Pac-8! Since 1975 Oregon has won every Civil War game except 12 times.
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Duckball wrote:
That's crazy. And a sign of the times.
On the one hand, it's wonderful for a new coach to establish his culture as quickly as possible. And any program now can change their fortunes quickly if they get all the puzzle pieces and moving parts put together correctly.
On the other hand, I am saddened by some of the players who will get pushed out. Is there any more room on a team for a player who works his tail off for a few years in obscurity to finally get the chance to play for a school they love? Apparently not. But I think those are the stories we all love as fans of college sports.
On the bright side, we don't have to listen to the "wait until we get our guys" trope about underperforming teams or units for too long, eh?
Yup. Because you can now radically transform your roster every season via the portal and recruiting, the pressure to "win now" is at an all time high, especially at the schools that have dumped massive resources into facilites and recruiting- like Oregon. The era of the "blue bloods" may be over and replaced by the new money programs with rabid boosters and fan bases willing to fund NIL programs. My litmus test on this is Colorado. Theoretically, this program should not just be competitive next year, it should finish above .500, with the following year (2024) being touted as a playoff contender.
To your other point, I still believe that room exists on teams for the walk-on or 2-3* "body" who remains loyal and earns his spot in the rotation and even starts and shines with honors. My favorite award is the Burlsworth Trophy. This year the winner is Stetson Bennett, who earned it and then some. Ryan Walk was a semi-finalist.
Rambling over...
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Jiffy Jeff wrote:
Duckball wrote:
That's crazy. And a sign of the times.
On the one hand, it's wonderful for a new coach to establish his culture as quickly as possible. And any program now can change their fortunes quickly if they get all the puzzle pieces and moving parts put together correctly.
On the other hand, I am saddened by some of the players who will get pushed out. Is there any more room on a team for a player who works his tail off for a few years in obscurity to finally get the chance to play for a school they love? Apparently not. But I think those are the stories we all love as fans of college sports.
On the bright side, we don't have to listen to the "wait until we get our guys" trope about underperforming teams or units for too long, eh?Yup. Because you can now radically transform your roster every season via the portal and recruiting, the pressure to "win now" is at an all time high, especially at the schools that have dumped massive resources into facilites and recruiting- like Oregon. The era of the "blue bloods" may be over and replaced by the new money programs with rabid boosters and fan bases willing to fund NIL programs. My litmus test on this is Colorado. Theoretically, this program should not just be competitive next year, it should finish above .500, with the following year (2024) being touted as a playoff contender.
To your other point, I still believe that room exists on teams for the walk-on or 2-3* "body" who remains loyal and earns his spot in the rotation and even starts and shines with honors. My favorite award is the Burlsworth Trophy. This year the winner is Stetson Bennett, who earned it and then some. Ryan Walk was a semi-finalist.
Rambling over...
Stetson Bennet!
My Goodness what a shining example and exhibit "A" for a guy that earned it and never gave up.
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oldretiredguy wrote:
DucksReign wrote:
Yep and everything works both ways and especially each time a precedent is set.
I this case, Lanning was hired just over a year ago so perhaps he becomes the standard going forward for other schools, coaches, alumni and fans i.e. "Look what Oregon did in one year...why can't we..."
HOWEVER if Lanning doesn't at least match his 10-3 record this coming season then?
Ultimately he has only put more pressure on himself with this very quick roster makeover.
Likewise the players cannot have it both ways...NIL options and / or Transfer Portal and then expect to be "protected." So yes with freedom comes consequences and one of those may be a HC using their freedom and leverage to push players out the door for whatever reasons.
People forget(or don't know) scholarships are "renewed" annually. They are not a 4-year guarantee. So a HC always has that option to "cut" a player or move a bad attitude.
I guess if I had to choose the most optimistic mindset, instead of thinking the NIL, Transfer Portal and all related issues are ruining college football, they are instead raising the levels of accountability for both coaches and players. Excuses, while not being eliminated entirely, are significantly diminished.
If the 2023 Oregon football team is 75% Lanning's...does anyone now think he has 4-5 years to build a program?Here is an article discussing schollies. I think the NCAA is going to have to increase the 85 limit, at least to 90."The NCAA has allowed colleges to provide multiyear scholarships since 2012. Additionally, in 2015, NCAA D1 colleges from the Power Five conferences (colleges in the Football Bowl Subdivision, plus Notre Dame) agreed to implement a rule that prevented multi-year D1 scholarships from being canceled or not renewed for any athletic reason.So, yes, there are athletic scholarships that are guaranteed for four years, but they are not the norm outside of powerhouse football programs."
Thanks!
I was JUST coming on here to question the scholarship "renewal" thing as I was really confused and unsure about that. Actually, I'm still unsure and confused........but that's normal.