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Kirby Smart was right!
Georgia finished the season the way they started it with that lopsided win over Oregon.
After that game Kirby Smart said, "Dan knows this, we have better players."
He could say the same thing after this game just replacing "Dan" with "Sonny." It is not even close.
If the chatter / hope is Lanning will have Oregon competing for a National Championship in X years... let's start with: How many players does Oregon have who could START for Georgia right now?
It is not just about recruiting either...in 2022 Texas A&M had the #1 recruiting class...how did their season go?
Kirby Smart won a National Championship at Georgia in his 5th year as HC.
Championships are won with offense and defense(and special teams). Being good only on one side of the ball isn't enough.
The standards and expectations at Oregon are very high. The days of hoping for a winning season and decent bowl game are long gone.
Here's hoping Lanning and his staff can get "better players" to Oregon and coach them up.
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DucksReign wrote:
Georgia finished the season the way they started it with that lopsided win over Oregon.
After that game Kirby Smart said, "Dan knows this, we have better players."
He could say the same thing after this game just replacing "Dan" with "Sonny." It is not even close.
If the chatter / hope is Lanning will have Oregon competing for a National Championship in X years... let's start with: How many players does Oregon have who could START for Georgia right now?
It is not just about recruiting either...in 2022 Texas A&M had the #1 recruiting class...how did their season go?
Kirby Smart won a National Championship at Georgia in his 5th year as HC.
Championships are won with offense and defense(and special teams). Being good only on one side of the ball isn't enough.
The standards and expectations at Oregon are very high. The days of hoping for a winning season and decent bowl game are long gone.
Here's hoping Lanning and his staff can get "better players" to Oregon and coach them up.
I agree it isn't all about recruiting, but recruiting absolutely matters. Georgia has been stacking top 5 classes for years now. Watching that game, it was obvious Georgia has studs everywhere. Most of those kids come from the deep south, and very few of the real good ones get away from that area. I don't ever see Oregon having that many top athletes, but we still showed up in the NCG twice now, and have a CFP win, so with the right coaching and personnel, I do think Ducks have a shot. Just for giggles, I googled the Georgia roster..I quit countng the number of Georgia kids, but there is a bunch.
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good piece from Tyson on the topic this morning, including some spot-on quotes from long-time UO running backs coach Gary Campbell. Oregon--and almost every other team--will never get to UGA level.
once upon a time, the Personnel Dept was in a dark corner in the basement, and nobody wanted to go there (meant you were in trouble). today it can make or break a company, and we have Sr. Vice Presidents of Human Resources earning near-CEO compensation. get the talent in the House and keep them happy. sorta like football.
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good piece from Tyson on the topic this morning, including some spot-on quotes from long-time UO running backs coach Gary Campbell. Oregon--and almost every other team--will never get to UGA level.
once upon a time, the Personnel Dept was in a dark corner in the basement, and nobody wanted to go there (meant you were in trouble). today it can make or break a company, and we have Sr. Vice Presidents of Human Resources earning near-CEO compensation. get the talent in the House and keep them happy. sorta like football.
Great article as usual from Tyson.
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Alger's article speaks to how important NIL and the Transfer Portal are for teams like Oregon to "stay in the game" against the likes of Georgia given the recruiting hurdles.
Whenever you can recruit elite talent in your own backyard(Georgia) vs convincing kids to leave their home state because your state doesn't produce enough of that elite talent(Oregon)...it is going to be an uphill challenge.
That is what is going to make recruiting in the Pac-12 VERY INTERESTING when USC and UCLA are in the Little Ten...can they keep getting those California kids at the same levels or will recruits opt for schools where they can be closer to home for every game?
Alger's one comment is ridiculous AT THIS POINT IN TIME....
"In fact, watching Monday’s game left me feeling like the Ducks were actually closer to playing in the national championship game this season than any of us really thought. TCU?"
If 5* star players are a key factor and Georgia has more of those this year than Oregon has had in its entire program history, then the reality is maybe we were closer than expected but they weren't close.
TCU had one of those seasons / miracle turnaround (coaching matters most) going from 5-7 to playing in the Natty. They won a bunch of close games...good for them. However they didn't win their conference championship game.
They were ranked #90 in Scoring Defense in the country...Oregon was #74.
The difference? 49-3 vs 65-7.
Remember...Oregon has already PLAYED in the National Championship Game... accomplished...the standard now is WINNING the championship.
Oregon was definitely close to playing for the Pac-12 Championship and I think the Pac-12 has 5 teams without much separation...Oregon, Utah, USC, osu and uw...but when you have Oregon's defense and atrocious special teams...you are close but not THAT close.
EVERY team can play the "If" card as in if Bo Nix was healthy...well, Alabama lost 2 games on last second scores..."if" they had won those games...if Cam Rising had not got hurt in the Rose Bowl...it is a pointless game to play to rationalize what might have been.
Plus I think Lanning's coaching decisions were more detrimental to Oregon than Nix's injuries...a factor almost every media-type ignores in their analysis.
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I think TCU should have been pushed out of the playoffs for not winning their conference. Kirby Smart may have great players, but you still need to coach them! Give him credit. He probably had to deal with big egos. If you look at the NFL, many teams have won because of great quarterbacks, not necessarily great defenses or great players. Some guy named Brady has done pretty well with deflated balls. Who was coaching him? Bellicheck. Patrick Mahomes...coach Reid. You can have the good players, yet you stink if the coach is an A hole. Urban Meyer? Jags are in the playoffs this year. Cristobal...ugh!
A question: if they go to a 12 team playoff, who gets the bye? Can't play 12 teams without a bye. Why not 16 so everyone has to play? Still a head scratcher.
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A question: if they go to a 12 team playoff, who gets the bye? Can't play 12 teams without a bye. Why not 16 so everyone has to play? Still a head scratcher.
The link below explains it but it is designed to give the top four seeds a first round bye...which for football is godsend...when teams have been playing games since September; practicing since August...one less game is beyond welcome.
I am guessing it is a reward for being a top four seed AND precautionary in hopes of avoiding injuries to the supposed best teams i.e.nobody wants the starting QB for the #1 seed injured against the #12 seed.
NFL has a similar format.
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While seeding is a nice reward, please note that seeding is still decided by committee, not necessarily the results on the field. With the NFL, seeding is completed with field results and tiebreakers where necessary, there is really littel in the way of debate about that last team getting in over others because of this system. Bye week in the playoffs a reward earned, not awarded.
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Thanks for the link, Ducks Reign. I agree with Jiffy Jeff as a committee decides which teams get the bye, so still subject to interpretation. Maybe 8 teams is a better solution, with the Power 5 conference winners getting in as well as 3 at large. (Still subject to interpretation, but only for positions 6 to 8, maybe from conference winners outside the Power 5). Once you're in the playoffs with 8 or 16 teams, rankings don't matter except for maybe home field advantage. Everyone plays and anything can happen.
This would give a chance to smaller conferences to make the playoffs and if they don't belong there, we'll see another Georgia-TCU result.
Conference champions should advance to the playoffs because they deserve to be there. Sorry Notre Dame... not really.
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