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Wilner on Pac-12 football scheduling going forward
As always Wilner provides the most reasoned thought process in my opinion...VERY INTERESTING thoughts about a 10-game conference schedule and scheduling home and home games with UCLA and USC!?!
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Here is some more speculation from various writers. I've not heard anything concrete, and a lot of this stuff I just don't believe, but it's something that's going around.
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One of the best ten minutes of the history of movies is the final standoff in The Good, The Bad & The Ugly. This is where we are at with this topic. Somebody is going to make the first move: The Four Corners, UO/UW, or Kliavkov with a blockbuster media deal. Until one moves, it is just the crescendo of a trumpet, a guitar, a chorus and an orchestra.
If for any reason this reference is unknown to any of you, you now have your homework for the weekend to watch this masterpiece.
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Jiffy Jeff wrote:
One of the best ten minutes of the history of movies is the final standoff in The Good, The Bad & The Ugly. This is where we are at with this topic. Somebody is going to make the first move: The Four Corners, UO/UW, or Kliavkov with a blockbuster media deal. Until one moves, it is just the crescendo of a trumpet, a guitar, a chorus and an orchestra.
If for any reason this reference is unknown to any of you, you now have your homework for the weekend to watch this masterpiece.
Lets see if this plays...
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I didn't realize the Ducks don't have any plans to play a B1G team until 2029. Like Wilner says everything with the B1G is in jeopardy anyway.
I like his reasons for playing the LA defectors. It makes sense for both sides. It's good for business if fans want to show up to jeer both of those schools, which they would.
A 10 game in conference schedule isn't something I'm totally sold on. With the parity the Pac have this makes it harder for the better teams to go undefeated and make playoff appearances. Playoff appearances generate huge amounts of money. This is way really good teams play fewer in conference and take on the cream puffs. As a fan I'm okay with the 10 game, but it doesn't seem like a great idea if the objective is the playoffs.
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One of the best ten minutes of the history of movies is the final standoff in The Good, The Bad & The Ugly. This is where we are at with this topic. Somebody is going to make the first move: The Four Corners, UO/UW, or Kliavkov with a blockbuster media deal. Until one moves, it is just the crescendo of a trumpet, a guitar, a chorus and an orchestra.
If for any reason this reference is unknown to any of you, you now have your homework for the weekend to watch this masterpiece.
With the sports options available now I might just have time to watch this.
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Wilner's point on the 10-game schedule is connected to the playoff expansion which assures the Pac-12 Champion a berth and possibly an at-large spot for a 2-loss team.
However as he notes, it will only work if the Pac-12 expands because you can't play 10 conference games if there are only 10 teams in the conference!
Also and I think he makes a valid point, the cupcake non-conference games cost the host schools money with that cost increasing every year i.e. basically paying a wimpy team to come to Autzen...whereas substituting a conference game instead generates revenues for everyone; is more attractive to fans and broadcasting outlets.
This of course would disrupt a long time scheduling ploy used by most P5 schools in a positive way as in if Oregon plays Portland State... well that game may pay for most if not all of PSU's athletic budget for the year. Without those games, what do those schools do to raise money? No easy answers.
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Wilner's point on the 10-game schedule is connected to the playoff expansion which assures the Pac-12 Champion a berth and possibly an at-large spot for a 2-loss team.
However as he notes, it will only work if the Pac-12 expands because you can't play 10 conference games if there are only 10 teams in the conference!
Also and I think he makes a valid point, the cupcake non-conference games cost the host schools money with that cost increasing every year i.e. basically paying a wimpy team to come to Autzen...whereas substituting a conference game instead generates revenues for everyone; is more attractive to fans and broadcasting outlets.
This of course would disrupt a long time scheduling ploy used by most P5 schools in a positive way as in if Oregon plays Portland State... well that game may pay for most if not all of PSU's athletic budget for the year. Without those games, what do those schools do to raise money? No easy answers.
True, but wouldn’t the Pac and every other conference want to get multiple teams in and not 1? This still makes scheduling the cream puffs advantageous.
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True, but wouldn’t the Pac and every other conference want to get multiple teams in and not 1? This still makes scheduling the cream puffs advantageous.
One of the best comments I read about the new Playoffs format:
"Regardless of where you stand on the matter, one thing is certain: more teams will be within striking distance of the playoff late in the season. More games will matter, not less. More teams will have hope of crashing the bracket."
Exactly!
That is why nothing about the new format suggests to me that cream puff games are the key or even a tie-breaker to getting in.
In fact it seems just the opposite.
The Playoffs are tripling in size...which basically says 2-loss and maybe even 3-loss teams have a chance.
It is going to be even more competitive amongst more teams to get in. If anything it feels to me like cream puff opponents will work against you more than help.
What is damaging is parity because it looks like mediocrity. What counters parity in a Conference? Having 2 or 3 teams who punch the lights out of everyone else.
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True, but wouldn’t the Pac and every other conference want to get multiple teams in and not 1? This still makes scheduling the cream puffs advantageous.
One of the best comments I read about the new Playoffs format:
"Regardless of where you stand on the matter, one thing is certain: more teams will be within striking distance of the playoff late in the season. More games will matter, not less. More teams will have hope of crashing the bracket."
Exactly!
That is why nothing about the new format suggests to me that cream puff games are the key or even a tie-breaker to getting in.
In fact it seems just the opposite.
The Playoffs are tripling in size...which basically says 2-loss and maybe even 3-loss teams have a chance.
It is going to be even more competitive amongst more teams to get in. If anything it feels to me like cream puff opponents will work against you more than help.
What is damaging is parity because it looks like mediocrity. What counters parity in a Conference? Having 2 or 3 teams who punch the lights out of everyone else.
I totally agree with 2 or 3 loss teams just getting in now.
Cream puff games could totally be the key if it means eliminating a loss and staying at 2-3 although I think the Pac might need to keep it less than 2. That leads into the next point in that more wins against Pac teams may not mean that much nationally.
If the analysis is correct in that cream puffs are no longer are beneficial are teams in the SEC like Alabama that avoid good teams out of conference like the plague now rushing to schedule good non-conference teams now? What about the SEC and all the other Power conferences are they now wanting to expand conference games to eliminate cream puffs for chances of making more teams in the playoffs?
Again, I probably just assume see more Pac teams from a fan perspective and it matters a lot more how good the team is.
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